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Now this is interesting, how does this all work`
Dennis noticed something very interesting about the
Score Cards on the Bally machines and he is
asking for our help understanding this mystery/history:
From: pinbase@
To: bingopinballs@
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:36 PM
Subject: Bally bingo instruction cards
Hi Danny, Attached is a scan of the backside of a few Big Wheel and
Magic Ring instruction cards that have a
manufacture date and hand stamped serial number. I have also found this
on some other instruction/score cards
for other bingos. At first I thought the numbers indicated a game but
there is no way that Bally built over 300 bingos
in one day! Phil Hooper thinks it indicates the day the cards were
printed but what would be the point? And a serial number?
Any ideas` …Have you seen this before?
Dennis
Hi Danny, Thanks for
getting back to me. I have the reverse printing on old game cards and
N.O.S. cards. All with hand stamped serial numbers. The earliest cards with
reverse printing that I have found were the original cards that came with
my Bounty. So I'm thinking maybe it has something to do with new federal
regulations that came along with the Eastland bill.I agree that way too
many playfields and cabinets don't match to be the result of operators
swapping them. Jay Stafford is also asking around so maybe someone will
come up with something. I will keep going through my paper stash and see
how many I can come up with. Has anyone tried placing ads in Chicago
Craigslist or other places to try to track down former Bally bingo line
workers and other employees. Should be a fair amount of them still alive.
I'll bet there is someone out there that could answer a lot of questions.
How do the Bounty
cards with reverse printing line up with the Bounty's cabinet serial
numbers?
The serial number on
my Bounty is B-869 with a build date stamp of 10-31-63. Two of the
instruction cards are dated July 30, 1963 and have serial numbers 528 and
569. The other card is dated Aug. 15. 1963 and has the number 653.
just so
"I am sure which score cards you are referring to" _ please send
me another picture, showing the front side of the 3 cards – Thxs
Attached is a scan of
the front side of the Magic Ring and Big Wheel cards.
I will send a scan
of both sides of the Bounty cards in a few minutes.
 
Hi Again.
Interesting. Can-Can
was built in '61 and these N.O.S. cards are from '64. With almost
consecutive serial numbers.
The serial numbers
must be for the cards themselves.
Finding more and I
am making a list. Dennis
 
It just keeps
getting stranger.
I am looking at the
cards alphabetically and came across these cards a few games after Can-Can.
The dates on the
Circus Queen cards are the same as the Can-Can cards and they have some of
the missing serial numbers from the Can-Can set!
The Circus Queen
cards have thumb tack holes so they were likely used in a game.
 
pinbase
Jul 18, 2014
Bingopinballs
I do not have cards
for every bingo so there are likely more of these cards out there
somewhere. The oldest dated set I have is for Bounty. 1963.The oldest GAME
with a set is Can-Can from 1961. The cards are dated 1964.Newest cards are
for Safari and are dated 1970.
Beauty Beach
Big Wheel
Bounty
Can-Can
Circus Queen
London
Magic Ring
Safari
Venice
Ok, I think
that is all of the emails we sent back-and-forth _ So, any ideas?
OK, now that
is a lot to digest!
…but Keith has
a few thoughts that make sense,
From: Keith Nickalo
<keithnickalo>
To: Danny Leach
<bingopinballs>
Sent: Friday, June
19, 2015 8:42 PM
Subject: SI cards
Hi Danny.
http://danny.cdyn.com/dennis101p.htm
This may just be a
quality control/productions control issue.
Printing in color wasn't
as easy then back then. It was a process. Time consuming and expensive. Done
mostly by hand.
(Similar to silk
screening T-shirts.) Colors were added one at a time. Once it was complete,
the cards needed plasticized
to protect the
image. Generic term for all
this....Screen printing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_printing
I've never taken
part in any screen printing myself but as a machinist I have come across
the machinery used in
the process. I can
easily image a process like this....
.1 - The cards original go through a typical offset printing device
where large rolls of card stock go through a machine just like a newspaper
uses.
.2 - The back of the cards get printed and a serial number gets
stamped. It looks like it's by hand
but it's a counting stamp.
.3 - The cards are
"sheeted" out into a manageable size. Say two feet by three feet.
Each sheet probably has thirty or so cards.
Probably all with
the same serial number.
.4 - The sheets go
into the screening process. Once color is screened. The sheet is removed
and hung to dry.
.5 - Once dry the
sheets are pulled down and stacked for the next color.
.6 - Once all the
colors are done, the sheets are put through a cutter to reduce them to
individual cards.
.7 - The individual
cards roll down a line, get sprayed with a clear plastic coat and then roll
through a "Toaster" to dry them.
The heat also makes
the coating nice and uniform.
Using an offset printer
to put the info on the back ensures that everyone knows what the card is
suppose to be when it's done.
Serial numbers allow
the productions managers to track their inventory, know who worked on what,
how much each person is getting done. On and on.
I bet these cards
were not that cheap back in the day. Similar to the #47 bulbs, much cheaper
today than they were back then.
Not even taking into
consideration inflation.
Notice the
"shadowbox" lettering on the bounty score cards? It has a black background and the letters
are in "White".
The letters aren't
printed at all. The letters are
screened in the process and the ink is put on the rest of that block.
Looks like they
screened red, black yellow and orange on Bounty. Four colors while Can Can
had Red, Black, Blue, Green, Yellow and Gray.
That's a lot of
trips through the screener. I
watched an episode of "Dirty Jobs with Mike Row" and they talked
a lot about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO7XkfDpwXs
This whole theory
could be dead wrong in its entirety though.
I don't know...
Talk to you
later. Bingo on brother.
Keith
I like your
response here Keith`
Very well
thought out and presented!
I am going to
share this with Dennis and Joe and get their comments too,
Thank you,
I hope this
finds you and your family all well,
Danny
From: Keith Nickalo
<keithnickalo>
To: Danny Leach
<bingopinballs>
Sent: Friday, June
19, 2015 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: SI
cards
I actually watched
that episode of Mike Rowe again myself.
They called it Lithography.
(i thought a lithograph had something to do with stone.)
One of the things I
thought was interesting was the guy in charge said if you had a 95%
accuracy rating and ran 100 posters through the machine where each poster
had eight colors, (each poster goes through the machine eight times) In the
end you would have screwed up 40 of the posters. Not a lot of room for
mistakes in the lithography game is there.
A five percent failure rate multiplies to a forty percent failure. Ugh!
…Sorry I kind
of lost track of this thread,
…If you have
any comments please write in – Thank you!
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