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06/30/2003 |
Tech
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Most all of
these tech notes are from postings listed on the forum rec.games.pinball
Tech Issue #1
Message 1 in
thread
From: Shoot'M Again (nospam.balk@telekabel.nl)
Subject: Re: Bally Bingo Tilt Question
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Date: 2001-05-18 00:06:59 PST
Tilt and anticheat are two different things. Tilt will release when starting a new game. Anti cheat (AC) will first reset the creditcounter to zero. Focus your search on that,
AC will break the circuit to illumination/gamestart. AC will activate the scoremotor.(SCM) AC holds itself by a EOS contact on the Creditcounter.(CC) SCM will pulse the CC down to zero. At that point the AC releases (EOS on CC opens) and the game is ready to accept coins.
With regards
Shoot 'M Again Coinop Collectors
Hans, Patrick & Suzanne
It's against usenet etiquette to list all our games as sig.
Fred Cunningham heeft geschreven in bericht
Hi, I have a Bally Roller Derby machine. Yesterday, while I was playing, it just stopped. It appeared to be a "normal" tilt. Well, everything went dead. I pressed the red button to start a new game...no response. Put a nickel in...nothing. Turned it off and on....the counter still shows the games, no zero score start.
I have the schematic and the manual. The focus of my investigation is around the anti-cheat relay, the tilt relay and the replay reset relay. Nothing is burnt up or anything like that. The replay reset counter does not have 50V to the coil. The anti-cheat relay neither. I cleaned all the contact just for lack of anything meaningful to do.
If you have any experience with this problem, please let me know.
Thanks in advance
Fred
Message
2 in thread
From:
Jeffrey Lawton (jhlawton@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: Bally Bingo Tilt Question
Newsgroups:
rec.games.pinball
Date: 2001-06-02 20:47:17 PST
Your problem is that the 50 volts went away. I would check the fuse socket. Bally bingo games have terrible fuse holders. They look fine but do not make contact with the fuse. So, you look at the fuse and think all is well when it is really open. Slip the 50 volt fuse out of it's holder. I suspect you will notice that one side slides out with almost no resistance.
When I get a game in, or start working on one I always check the tensile strength of the fuse holders. If any one fails, I replace the entire bank. The holders can be purchased at any Radio Shack or electronics store.
Also, check the "jones plug" between the transformer and the fuse panel. I had a Cypress Gardens recently that played fine until I put it in line with my other games, then all the lamps went out. fuse holders were all good but the jacks on the "jones plug" were oxidized. After a good cleaning, my game lit up like a Christmas tree.
Tech
Issue #2:
Message
1 in thread
From:
Guy
(guyvanransbeeck@planetinternet.be)
Subject: Miss Bowling Bingo game
Newsgroups:
rec.games.pinball
Date: 2002-08-26 14:45:26 PST
Does anyone have a manual or the errorcodes for a WIMI Miss Bowling machine He gives errorcode code E602
Thanks in advance
Message
2 in thread
From:
Vic Camp
(campgames@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Miss Bowling Bingo game
Newsgroups:
rec.games.pinball
Date: 2002-08-27 04:56:50 PST
Hi Guy,
I will look for the Manual/Paperwork on the Miss Bowling and let you know what the error code E602 means. Email me on any other questions about the game. I had 9 Miss Bowling bingo's and still have a lot of parts left. Great (ELECTRONIC) bingo game.
Message
3 in thread
From:
LEON (leon.b1@pi.be)
Subject: Re: Miss Bowling Bingo game
Newsgroups:
rec.games.pinball
Date: 2002-08-27 12:00:42 PST
HI!!
BAD news I'm affraid.. These wimi bingo's were fabricated here in Belgium and used as a sort of "jackpots" althought it was and is still prohibitid some bars and café's did and do "pay-out " the winnings...As sometimes big money was/is involved there are a lot of safety circuits on these machines. Complicated codes are in a ram, and the "hold" circuit of this safety ram is in series with a lot of security contacts.. When you open the door for example or the backglass the ram is erased...code E602... The only way to get the ram loaded again is a special print with eprom and circuitery to plug in
at connector J709 and a certain number of handlings to perform.. The first buyer of such a wimi bingo is mostly an exploiter of several machines in bars and cafés.. so he has "the key" the special print ...every client of Wimi's has his own key, so no exchanges between clients could be made...( smart) As buisenis was going down last years in bingo's a lot of these machines came on the market, but the exploiter kept the key for the machines he still had running... And at
the first occasion the new owner opend the front door the ram wasresetted and the bingo "out of buisseniss" E602...The only way to start it up again is to find the owner of the original " key"...Up to now i tryed a few "tricks" but without succes..stopped my experiments because "to much time "consumend... I general this bingo's end up in garages and shacks after the new owner called and asked around for a solution that he did not found...The day i cracked this one perhaps i
will not publish it on my website......... , i will have a lot of clients " waiting".... sorry Leon .from
http://www.flipper-pinball-fan.be
Message
4 in thread
From:
Vic Camp (campgames@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Miss Bowling Bingo game
Newsgroups:
rec.games.pinball
Date: 2002-08-28 05:00:18 PST
For now try www.wimi.com I think there may be a number you can call in Belguim. I have talked to the people at wimi and have got some results in the past. As for the error code I did not get a chance to find manual yet. HERE IS WIMI'S PHONE NUMBER:0032(0)5383.94.94 double check this number on their website,
Message
5 in thread
From:
wiz.tilt.it (wiz@tilt.it)
Subject: Re: Miss Bowling Bingo game
Newsgroups:
rec.games.pinball
Date: 2002-08-28 14:01:49 PST
In our site, http://www.tilt.it, there's a section (http://www.tilt.it/chilhavisto.htm) about rare and strange machines,
usually from a local production. At the moment, we're looking for infos about a bingo, which has an Italian manufacturer's name, but which I suspect was made from WIMI. Could you please get in touch with us at staff@tilt.it, if you're interested? (I'm not directly contacting you so in case you're not interested I won't bother you more :-)
Ps: that section is open to all contributions.. if you who're reading have a strange machine, something you would like to show to others, in order to try to discover more about it, just email us!
Thanks,
Federico "Wiz" Croci
Message
6 in thread
From:
Vic Camp (campgames@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Miss Bowling Bingo game
Newsgroups:
rec.games.pinball
Date: 2002-08-29 06:03:33 PST
Guy,
Here is some info on the Miss Bowling I have. My electronic bingo is a Miss Bowling Turbo, it was manufactured by a
company in Belgium called G.A.A.(General Automatic Amusement)with Wimi circuit boards in the bingo machine.
The EEROR CODE E602 in my manual reads EE06 THE EE06 means: valeur du RPREG ANORMALE forgot what this means in English .Could be replay register or something else. must ask someone who knows French to translate this.
Here is the correct website address for Wimi: http://www.wimi.be/contacts.html Here are other manufactures in Belgium with electronic bingo's: http://www.seeben.com/coney.htm I have a phone number you can call to reach tech's at G.A.A and possibly tech's at Wimi. Email me for any questions or help you may need or for phone numbers.
Vic
Tech Issue #3:
“Hey Mr. Hooper”
One day I mentioned to Phil that on “power on” the ball automatically lifted on my Big Time and that it didn't wait until the coin sw was triggered before doing so.
hi danny,
depends on whether you completed the previous game. if the shutter is closed and you shot five
or more balls, then the game should not raise a ball at power on. if it does, you'll need to check trough
switch #8 and the timer disc (make sure the timer disc is fully reset).
One thing I am also unsure of is if you should be able
to add coins and increase odds after the initial coin loading and then having
shot a couple of balls. I am a little confused if this is suppose to be
allowed. I think so the the Big Time doesn't allow this. After you have shot
a ball, tripping the coin sw throws the game into reset, opens the shutter,
and whamo - say la vee
right, and cycling of the machine after shooting the
first ball results in a reset until you get to extra ball mode.
the games that allow increasing the odds after shooting
the first ball normally have it as a light-up feature called
"stop-n-shop score booster"....cypress gardens had this feature.
phil
Tech Issue #4:
“Hey Mr. Hooper”
Today I replaced ther coin sw in the Big Time and it fired right up as expected and now it's all back together. The only thing left to do here it looks like is to replace a few of the non-working lights behind the backglass and get the up/down lifter sws working. Out of the 5 sws - one won't move any numbers on it's row, 3 of them will move the numbers 2 positions only verses 3 positons \, and one sw will only move the numbers one position. I open the coin door and looked at these mechanisims and they look pretty crude, so hopefully it's just dirt related problems effecting the electrical contacts.
hi danny,
people seemed to like to spill drinks on the buttons, so cleaning the contact plates and sometimes disassembly of the entire wiper unit to clean/derust is common. I've gone through four big times...they were all cruddy. I probably repainted the metal mounting plates on three of them.
you'll also want to clean the plugs connecting the
switches to the cabinet.
when the game is reset and the magic lines feature isn't
lit, the rows should home in the center position. I kinda recall that they do that even if the magic lines are
lit, and when the first ball is shot, they then will adjust to the position
of the knobs. if that's not
happening, something
else is not getting reset properly.
The Hi-Fi is still pretty much odd, only has 5 balls but still plays, always tries to lift 2 balls, the shutter won't close, and the metal on the front end near the coin door is trashed.
you'll probably need to pull off the ball trough and
clean/adjust the switches. it's just
a wood screw on one end, and a metal screw near the lifter. the metal screw can be tricky. often is easiest to just use some
needlenose to pull out one leg of the trough switch rollover wire that is
blocking the screw head (the leg nearest the head...you can't pull the other
one out!). then you can shift the
wire enough to get to the screw easily.
then just flip the entire trough over.
actually, before doing that, check the timer unit and
make sure it's resetting all the way.
may have crud on the contact plate keeping the wipers from rotating
all the way home. this will effect
the shutter as well.
it tries to raise two balls every time the ball lift
motor turns on?
phil
Tech Issue #5
“Hey Mr. Kown”
Hello Danny!!!
- Thought you had forgot about
me. LOL!!
On the ball shooter is no problem, I will send you
one. polish it with a red 3M abrasive pad and you will be pleased.
For the snap rings and washers for your up-and-down
# controls on your Big Time (i use "e" clips) take the parts to
your local home depot or Lowes or Ace Hardware and match them up. They have
metal boxes there with all the eclip sizes.
On all the games I have seen the ball rests on the
metal arm, there is no plastic or rubber cushion
Hugh