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Tech I
All of these tech notes are from
postings listed on the forum rec.games.pinball
Tech Issue #1
James Ireland
Subject: I have a Bally Mystic Gate Bingo
Date: 2000/06/18
Question - Recently it started smoking in the back cabinet and it is now
stuck on tilt - will not reset - any clues where to look for what burned out?
Answer - Try checking the trip bank reset coil. I don't have a Mystic Gate,
but I assume it would be located on the back door, left side and at the
bottom.
If the this coil is burned, the trip bank won't reset. The tilt relays are
located there, so maybe that's your trouble.
Before you just plug another coil in, check to see what caused the problem.
Could be something to do with the shutter switches controlling the reset coil
- perhaps stuck in the make position.
Answer - Do motors run and balls rise to the playfield while displaying tilt?
That could be a bad anti-cheat relay.
Tech Issue #2
From: Steve Pazar
Subject: Re: Tech: Bally Yacht Club Bingo
Date: 2000/08/18
Question - The ball lift motor does not activate after the second ball is
shot. I checked out the ball lift motor relays on the shutter motor and on
the lift motor itself and they seem to be functioning properly. There was a
worn contact on the timer unit that I fixed, but it did not seem to correct
the problem. I think the problem is in the timer unit, but I am not sure how
to verify that.
Answer - These types of problems are usually in the timer stepper. If the
contacts are now OK, make certain that its not sticking. This is usually
caused by old grease collecting crud and making the step up/down function
sluggish to the point where it doesn't always work.
Another area to look at is the switch on the top of the PF that the ball goes
under as it enters play. This, along with the shooter lane switch is what
triggers the next ball. The first ball does not depend on these switches,
only the first position of the timer unit.
Tech Issue #3
From: Alan Van Nevel
Subject: tech:bally beauty bingo
Date: 2000/08/08
Question - I recently got a bingo (my first) and it was working but has since
developed a problem.
The game coins up, the 1st card lights, and additional coins light more features
and cards. It also lifts the first ball into place in the shooter lane. But
when the ball is shot, the shutter does not close as it should. I can trip
the shutter motor and it still works though. There is the start? relay under
the playfield, next to the shutter motor, when does this energize? Any help
would be appreciated
Answer - Just fixed that problem on one of my bingos. Your "timer
step-up" unit is probably sticking (very common problem). The bad news
is you will have to completely disassemble it to clean it properly. I've
noticed that in the past, folks used the old style TV tuner cleaner on the
contact discs, which leaves a waxy residue. This needs to be removed as well
(I use paint thinner on a rag).
If you look closely at other steppers in your bingo, you'll almost certainly
find the same problem. Take heart though, once they are cleaned it'll
probably work for many moons before it needs servicing again. Steve
Tech Issue #4
From: smddms@aol.com
Subject: Tech: Bally Yacht Club Bingo
Date: 2000/08/18
Question - The ball lift motor does not activate after the second ball is
shot. I checked out the ball lift motor relays on the shutter motor and on
the lift motor itself and they seem to be functioning properly. There was a
worn contact on the timer unit that I fixed, but it did not seem to correct
the problem. I think the problem is in the timer unit, but I am not sure how
to verify that. Thxs - Steve
From: Steve Pazar
Subject: Re: Tech: Bally Yacht Club Bingo
Date: 2000/08/18
Answer - Steve, these types of problems are usually in the timer stepper. If
the contacts are now OK, make certain that its not sticking. This is usually
caused by old grease collecting crud and making the step up/down function
sluggish to the point where it doesn't always work.
Another area to look at is the switch on the top of the PF that the ball goes
under as it enters play. This, along with the shooter lane switch is what
triggers the next ball. The first ball does not depend on these switches,
only the first position of the timer unit.
Good luck!
Steve
Tech Issue #5
From: Lovemypins
Subject: Tech: Bingo Golden Gate
Date: 1999/04/26
Question - Hi Guys. On my Golden Gate, there is a resetting problem on the
Magic Screen. As you Bingo people know, when the screen is used and a new
game is started, the screen will move a fraction to the left and then will
reset by moving completely to the right until it reaches it's normal
position. Well, on my game, occasionally when I start a new game, the screen will
not return or will move even further to the left. When this happens, I can
hear the screen motor running constantly. I then tilt the game and try again.
Any ides where I should start to look for the problem. Thanks....Roger
From: Lynne and Michael Sands
Answer - Seems like I have a similar problem with my Silver Sails, an
identical game.
The actual screen position is indexed with a contact disc underneath it. If
any thing is preventing the screen from moving you will have a problem
similar to this.
In my case, the number glass behind the screen came loose and prevented the
screen from moving. In fixing that, the disc position did not match the
screen position. It is an easy matter of rotating the screen to match.
Tech Issue #6
Message 1 in thread
From: Michael Sloan
Subject: General info needed on bingo games
Date: 2000/01/14
Question - I have a Bally "Bali" bingo unit. While I have the
circuit info, I'm not exactly sure what the game is supposed to do, or how it
is supposed to work. Can anyone give me some info?
Answer - MAKE SURE YOUR MACHINE HAS THE CORRECT NUMBER OF BALLS INSTALLED
USUALLY EIGHT BALLS FIVE FOR NORMAL PLAY AND THREE FOR EXTRA BALL FIVE BALLS
SHOULD BE LOCKED ON TOP OF YOUR PLAYFIELD WITH THREE BALLS IN THE TROUGH CHECK
ALL YOUR TROUGH SWITCHES. WHEN YOU CLOCK A CREDIT ALL THE BALLS SHOULD DROP
INTO LOWER BALL CATCHER AND MAKE THERE WAY TO THE TROUGH. ALL ODDS SHOULD GO
BACK TO LOWEST ODDS AND A BALL SHOULD BE LIFTED TO BALL PLUNGER. GAME IS
READY TO BEGIN LET ME KNOW IF YOU GET THIS FAR REGARDS MARIK
Tech Issue #7
Down Under with the Bingo Kings
Message 1 in thread
From: chantal rennard
Subject: So You Want To Know About Bingo'
Date: 1999/10/15
Contact Us
John And Justin
The Bingo Kings
(Australian Division)
johnk@c033.aone.net.au
Tech Issue #8
From: Lovemypins
Subject: Tech: Bingo Golden Gate
Date: 1999/04/26
Question - Hi Guys. On my Golden Gate, there is a resetting problem on the
Magic Screen. As you Bingo people know, when the screen is used and a new
game is started, the screen will move a fraction to the left and then will
reset by moving completely to the right until it reaches it's normal
position. Well, on my game, occasionally when I start a new game, the screen
will not return or will move even further to the left. When this happens, I
can hear the screen motor running constantly. I then tilt the game and try
again. Any ides where I should start to look for the problem. Thanks....Roger
From: Lynne and Michael Sands
Answer - Seems like I have a similar problem with my Silver Sails, an
identical game. The actual screen position is indexed with a contact disc
underneath it. If any thing is preventing the screen from moving you will
have a problem similar to this.
In my case, the number glass behind the screen came loose and prevented the
screen from moving. In fixing that, the disc position did not match the
screen position. It is an easy matter of rotating the screen to match.
Tech Issue #9
From: Lynne and Michael Sands
Subject: TECH: cleaning cloth insulation in very old games
Date: 1999/04/19
Question - I am looking for suggestions on how to clean the dirt and oil off
the cloth insulation in very old pinball machines. I am compulsive when it
comes to cleaning machines like to clean the insides as well as the visible
parts.
From: Bob E.
Answer - This is not exactly the same, but I have had good luck with cleaning
cloth-covered wiring harnesses from some of my English cars and my jukebox in
the following manner. Note, this is for harnesses that are OUT of the
machine, and I can't imagine anyone wanting to take one out of a bingo --
*shudder* -- but maybe you can adapt this...
Anyway, this has worked for me on the type of wiring that is several or many
vinyl-insulated wires inside a braided or woven cloth covering. I just fill a
large dishpan with warm soapy water (dishwashing liquid is fine) and lay the
harness in it. Gently squeeze up and down the length of the bundle, maybe
changing the water/soap mixture if it gets particularly greasy or dirty. You
don't want to scrub and abrade the cloth, especially if it is old, but
squeezing seems to do no harm. When dirt and oil/grease are removed, change
to clear water for rinsing in the same manner, then set out in the sun to
dry.
Tech Issue #10
Subject: TECH: Bingo machine diamond ring problem.
Date: 1998/10/08
Question - I have bought a bingo machine that have been in storage in ten
years. When i powering it up all the gi lights but nothing happens when i
drop a coin in it, i have never seen a game bingo game before (and never
played one). does someone have any suggestions where to start looking for
wrong things. When i powered i t up it did reset the number to zero.
Answer - First off, check all the fuses (you didn't state the make or model
of machine, but let's assume a Bally bingo). The fuses are in the backbox,
right hand side.
The reply meter knocked-off. That's a good sign.
Make sure you have 8 bingo sized balls in the machine, in the ball ramp. They
are not the same size as standard pinballs, and the size is important. The
wrong size balls will not activate the ball ramp switches properly. I am
writing this at work and I don't have one of my manuals here, so I can't
remember the ball size. Marco's sells bingo sized balls. If you don't have 8
balls in the machine, the game will never play correctly (once again I am
assuming this machine is a Bally with 3 extra balls feature. If it's two
extra balls, then you need 7 balls).
First coin inserted should move payfield shuffle, allowing any balls on the
playfield to return to the ball ramp. Shuffle will stay open until first ball
is shot.
First ball should now eject up to the ball shooting lane. At this point you
would deposit additional coins to try to light up higher odds and special
features. You may deposit as many coins as you want until you are satisfied
with the odds and features. Odds and features are lit randomly.
When you shoot the first ball, the playfield shuffle will close.
That's the basic sequence for the start of a game. A bingo machine is the
MOSTcom- plicated of all EM pin type games. They are proto-computers and
working on them takes time. Marco may have a manual for you. I have been
surprised how many bingo manuals he has dug up for me.
Subject: Re: Bally Bingo Tilt Question
Date: 2001-06-02 20:47:17 PST
Question - "Fred Cunningham" wrote in message
Hi, I have a Bally Roller Derby machine. Yesterday, while I was playing, it
just topped. It appeared to be a "normal" tilt. Well, everything
went dead. I pressed the red button to start a new game...no response. Put a
nickel in...nothing. Turned it off and on....the counter still shows the
games, no zero score start.
I have the schematic and the manual. The focus of my investigation is around
the anti-cheat relay, the tilt relay and the replay reset relay. Nothing is
burnt up or anything like that. The replay reset counter does not have 50V to
the coil. The anti-cheat relay neither. I cleaned all the contact just for
lack of anything meaningful to do.
If you have any experience with this problem, please let me know.
Answer from Jeffery Lawton - Your problem is that the 50 volts went away. I
would check the fuse socket. Bally bingo games have terrible fuse holders.
They look fine but do not make contact with the fuse. So, you look at the
fuse and think all is well when it is really open. Slip the 50 volt fuse out
of it's holder. I suspect you will notice that one side slides out with
almost no resistance.
When I get a game in, or start working on one I always check the tensile
strength of the fuse holders. If any one fails, I replace the entire bank.
The holders can be purchased at any Radio Shack or electronics store.
Also, check the "jones plug" between the transformer and the fuse
panel. I had a Cypress Gardens recently that played fine until I put it in
line with my other games, then all the lamps went out. fuse holders were all
good but the jacks on the "jones plug" were oxidized. After a good
cleaning, my game lit up like a Christmas tree.
Tech Issue #11
Electronic Technical Enterprises
This is not a pinball site at all, but someone here has worked on and fixed a
Bally Big Time and probably a few other Bingos.
There are some good tips and a little trivia.........
Tech Issue #12
Phil helps Russ
From: Phil (okorange@home.com)
Subject: Re: SILVER SAILS BINGO TECH HELP?
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Date:
2002-02-24 09:38:06 PST
To test the yellow step up coil, jump a wire from 21 (blue and red) wire on the yellow score unit step up arm switch to the side of the coil with the white and brown wire (not the orange and red side). As long as the play feature relay is not energized, this should activate the coil.
Do you have a copy of the schematic for that machine? Which switch prevents the fuse from blowing? There are two switches on that relay.If opening the single pole double throw switches solves the problem, you probably have a short in the white and brown wire coming from the relay to the yellow score step up coil. If it's the normally
closed single switch, check the white and blue wire. This runs from the yellow score stop and the magic screen feature unit stop to the magic screen feature unit step up. The main thing to look for is bare/worn wire. Also, I hope your wire is not totally gray and cruddy and that you can at least sort of tell what the original colors were.
Good luck.
RUSSELLCAD@NETZERO.NET (RUSS CADWALLADER) wrote in message news:<4ada2218.0202141247.7cd8d1b8@posting.google.com>...
> DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO LEARN BEFORE MACHINE SMOKED. ANY HELP WOULD BE
> APPRECIATED. 50V CIRCUIT FUSE BLOWS AT TURN ON. PAPER BETWEEN CONTACTS
> ON YELLOW SCORE STOP RE. STOPS THIS BUT OF COURSE THIS AIN’T THE CURE.
> WHERE SHOULD I GO NEXT TO LOOK FOR PROBLEM/SHORT/BAD THING? ALSO, WHAT
> IS A GOOD COIL READING Vs. FRIED IF IT ISN’T OBVIOUS ON COIL .ANY BINGO
> TECHS STILL OUT THERE??? THX. RUSS
Tech Issue #13
From: Guy (guyvanransbeeck@planetinternet.be)
Subject: Miss Bowling Bingo
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Date: 2003-02-16 10:11:49 PST
Does enyone now how to remove a tilt from a miss Bowling bingo.I have tryed everything, power on with door open, reset my elektonic key...nothing works he stays in tilt mode.
Thanks
Post a follow-up to this message
Message 2 in thread
From: David Deturck (willy.deturckREMOVE@pandora.be)
Subject: Re: Miss Bowling Bingo
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Date: 2003-02-16 10:42:22 PST
First:
check the tilts; are they constant on? there's one ball roll tilt in the upper part of the backbox, one or two in the cabinet, perhaps one in the door and perhaps one on the underside of the playfield. Those bingo's often go in a sort of 'code', you could look at it as a sort of alarm thing. What probably has to happen now, is to reset the memory addresses of the bingo. This is done by attaching a little interface to the machine where you can reset the memory.
However, very hard to find. Some operators might still have it, but they are not very willing to help people out with there old bingo problems...
Good luck,
David
Tech Issue #14
Bingo tilt problem
Many Bally bingos have a design that causes a tilt if the coin switch is activated too slowly. This is intended so that it will tilt when someone tries to cheat using a string or wire to activate the switch instead of a coin. This often is a problem in home use when you're not using coins and just tripping the switch with your finger. To deactivate this 'feature' bend the top switch piece on #4D of the Control Unit up so that the switch cannot close. #4D is the 4th switch stack from the left on the Control Unit.
Tech Issue #15
Message 2 in
thread
From: Walter
Newton (newtonw@netone.com)
Subject: Re: TECH: Bingo machine diamond ring problem.
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Date: 1998/10/08
Patrik Danielsson wrote:
Hi! I have bought a bingo machine that I have been in storage in ten years. When i powering it up all the gi lights but nothing happens when i drop a coin in it, I have never seen a game bingo game before (and never played one).
does someone have any suggestions where to start looking for wrong things. When i powered i t up it did reset the number to zero.
Patrik
Message two in thread:
First off, check all the fuses (you didn't state the make or model of machine, but let's assume a Bally bingo). The fuses are in the backbox, right hand side.
The reply meter knocked-off. That's a good sign.
Make sure you have 8 bingo sized balls in the machine, in the ball ramp. They are not the same size as standard pinballs, and the size is important. The wrong size balls will not activate the ball ramp switches properly. I am
writing this at work and I don't have one of my manuals here, so I can't remember the ball size. Marco's sells bingo sized balls. If you don't have 8 balls in the machine, the game will never play correctly (once again I am
assuming this machine is a Bally with 3 extra balls feature. If it's two extra balls, then you need 7 balls).
First coin inserted should move payfield shuffle, allowing any balls on the playfield to return to the ball ramp. Shuffle will stay open until first ball is shot.
First ball should now eject up to the ball shooting lane. At this point you would deposit additional coins to try to light up higher odds and special features. You may deposit as many coins as you want until you are satisfied
with the odds and features. Odds and features are lit randomly.
When you shoot the first ball, the playfield shuffle will close.
That's the basic sequence for the start of a game. A bingo machine is the MOST complicated of all EM pin type games. They are proto-computers and working on them takes time. Marco may have a manual for you. I have been surprised how many bingo manuals he has dug up for me.
If you need more info, email me. (tell me make and model of bingo)
Walt in Denver
Message 3 in
thread
From: Donellllll (donellllll@aol.com)
Subject: Re: TECH: Bingo machine diamond ring problem.
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Date: 1998/10/08
Hi Patrik:
Unless you know Bingos and EM repair, I'd suggest the nearest house of worship for help. : )
Don L.
Tech issue #16
Message 1 in thread
From: Dave (low5@sympatico.ca)
Subject: Bally wiring colors and schematics.
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Date: 2002-05-23 19:20:01 PST
Hello All,
Does anyone know if in a Bally game, old mechanical that is, does the wiring color remain the same from top playfeild wiring to cabinet wiring? What I mean is, if you find a red wire with yellow strips in one part of the
machine, is it esentially the same wire as another red and yellow one found in another part of the machine?
Are there any downloadable schematics available on line.
Dave.
Message 2 in thread
From: Lloyd R Olson (ltg@ssbilliards.com)
Subject: Re: Bally wiring colors and schematics.
You would think so, but I wouldn't rely on it as 100 percent all the time. I had a schematic from another manufacturer, beautiful huge fold out thing, and there in the corner was printed " due to wire shortages the wire colors may not be the same in your machine". And the old cloth wires do discolor with age. LTG :)
Phil (the man)
Message 3 in thread
Message 3 in
thread
From: phil (bingo@cdyn.com)
Subject: Re: Bally wiring colors and schematics.
I wouldn't bet on it. bally didn't have an infinite number of color combinations, so they needed to reuse the wire in
different circuits. bingos, for example, can use the same wire color more than ten times. on the manual/schematic, the difference is denoted by a suffix. e.g. 74-1, 74-2, etc.
the colors are:
1 - red
2 - blue
3 - yellow
4 - green
5 - white
6 - brown
7 - orange
8 - black
9 - gray
0 - no tracer (e.g. 70 is solid orange)
take care,
phil
Tech issue #17
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