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BINGO MACHINES

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Ralph   Nov 27 2004, 6:41 pm     show options
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Date: 27 Nov 2004 15:41:53 -0800
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OK guys , I Know that posting this string will Lead to trouble but
here goes.

I Just got done restoring a 1986 Gottlieb Raven (My First Pinball)
everything works and looks great .  I Got through this project with
some help of the fine people here .

I Come home from work every night and read every post from the last 24
Hrs . But I have never seen anything about Bingo Machines. From the
time I could reach a pinball until my late teen years I was very
adicted to the bingo machines. (must have poked enough nickles into
them that I could have bought at least 2 of them).

I am now at the point where I think that I would like to own a bingo
machine !

So This brings me to my questions,
1) what are your thoughts on owning a bingo machine ?
2) How hard are they to work on/ find parts for ?
3) am I just trying to relive a childhood dream and should I move on
to someting bigger and better?

Thanks
Ralph Gordon


Fred Kemper   Nov 27 2004, 8:40 pm     show options
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:40:12 -0600
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1) Owned them, junked them.... Make no sense to me.

2) Harder than a pin, but not too much.  Parts?

3) Something only YOU can decide.  :)

--
Fred
TX
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Steve   Nov 27 2004, 9:29 pm     show options
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Bingos do not have the most exciting gameplay. In fact
for most, its downright boring. Years ago I restored an old
bingo (Bally BROADWAY) just for fun. Still have it and still
play it. Since I restored it myself, I have a greater appreciation
for whats going on inside the game than most.

If you have any interest in getting a bingo machine to restore,
you should have no problem finding one fairly cheap. They are
*by far* the most complex (EM) pinball machines. Being able
to get one working, and keeping it working is a challenge but
certainly possible. There is a good book out "Bally Bingo Machines"
by Jeff Lawton (I think thats right). That'd be a good place to start.

              Steve
p.s.-I have a couple of machines for sale, and a good supply of
parts as do others here I'm sure.


Phil   Nov 27 2004, 11:00 pm     show options
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 21:00:03 -0700
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Ralph, I can't blame you for wanting to own a bingo. You played them when
you were younger and know what they're about. Most of the folks on this
group never played them seriously and so don't get it. I own about 17 bingos
now, and here is what I can tell you, from my own personal experience.

First of all, some of the games are great fun to play, but it's your own
personal preference. Think about which games you played growing up, and that
is probably what you will want to buy. The most popular games from a
collector standpoint are the screen games with the OK feature. Some of the
six card games are good for personal use because you can punch up a game
really fast instead of probing for odds and features. But you will enjoy the
game you most enjoyed playing when you were younger.

I find myself a lot more reserved when I play my own machines than I was
when I played for money 30 years ago. I spend a lot of time restoring these
machines and simply cannot bring myself to abuse them. As a result, I cannot
beat my own machines!

When you first start out, the bingos are very difficult to work on. They are
very complex, but there are good sources to help in your restoration. First
of all, Phil Hooper's page http://bingo.cdyn.com/ . This is the best site
you will find explaining how they work and how to fix them. Phil has done a
great job on this site. He even explains what to look for when buying one.

Secondly, the forum at http://oldbinger.com/forums/ attracts a lot of people
who are willing to help you get your game running. A lot of collectors visit
this site regularly and can help you find parts as well if you need them.

Most of the machines you will find for cheap will have been either rewired
artfully to better track the gamblers, or will have wires cut, switches
bent, etc. to disable features, which made it harder to win. Or both. This
is what many people do not understand when they get a game for a good price.
As if they weren't complicated enough, you may need to fix the butcher job,
too.

I say if you are willing to spend time learning, go for it and buy the
bingo.

Phil (not Hooper!)

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Richard Young Sr.   Nov 28 2004, 1:12 am     show options
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:12:20 -0500
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Ralph,

I'm with ya, I dropped most of my earnings from my paper route back in
the early 60's into those pinball machines. They were in many small
local stores and some paid off too!! 100 games = $5 but no so easy to
do! A dam lot of fun though, trying. It's a game of skill, control, and
timing when to shake/nudge to machine to get the ball to drop into the
number you want/need to win.

I bought a Silver Sales Bingo about 5 years ago. (my first pin!) it's
from the early 60's has the OK and magic screen
(a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h)positions, special Gate game as well as other special
features. This machine as well as Golden Gate and Can Can were the best
ones with the most features towards the end Bingo's being made. I would
suggest one of them to you.

I've bought many flipper pinball since my Bingo but I still enjoy it.
I'm surprised how many people when they visit to play my collection have
never seen as much as played one before. I guess they must have been
located in certain area but not others due to them being considered
Gambling machines. Many were seized by authorities and destroyed. When I
explain how they work and someone actually tries it, most enjoy it. In
fact I had someone over a few weeks ago and they got a 5 in a line on
their first game with only 1 extra ball. Yes you can buy up to 3 extra
balls if you willing to press off the amount of credits/nickles you may
need to get one up.

Anyway enough of that. My best advice for you is to find someone that
specializes in these games and get one that has been worked on and
shopped out so there aren't any issues to figure out. They have hundreds
of contacts and many relays and rotary contact switches in them. The
most common problems are dirty connections or broken wires due to age.
these games are typically built 40-60 years ago. Once their shopped and
working though they are very durable still.

Finding someone that knows have to fix them, and is willing to do on
site service is getting very hard to find. I met Jeff Lawton who wrote
the Bally Bingo Machines book at a recent Pinball show in York, PA. He
had 2 Bingo's for sale a Silver Sales and A Can Can that he refurbished,
they played great, He was a great guy to talk shop with and even gave me
a tip on a jumper to loosen up the odds on my machine to get the
features easier, as well as a tip to fix a friends machine that worked.
He gave me his card, he is located in Ohio, @ 513-231-1998. Don't know
if he's local enough for you but one person I would recommend. The guy I
bought my machine from was Bingo Butch in Potstown PA. Haven't talk to
him in several years but he is very knowledgeable as well.

Good luck, hope you find and enjoy one as much as I have.

Regards,

Rich

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TDrachman   Nov 28 2004, 1:14 am     show options
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The games are a complicated blast to own you will have to have a lot of
paatience to work on them and a good dose of common sense.... theres a few
sources of parts and such i might be interested in parting with a couple of the
ones i have.... are you looking for anything specific??
I am in NC near Charlotte and am an op in the biz... Wehere are you located???/
Todd B Drachman
T&J Enterprises


Ralph   Nov 28 2004, 7:09 am     show options
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Date: 28 Nov 2004 04:09:41 -0800
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I Live Near  Tampa Fl.   There is a Coin Op Auction in Orlando on the
18th of Dec. I will be going to this auction and if nothing else
catches my eye ( like a Gor Gar , Flash or a silverbal )I may be
bringing a Bingo home.

Thanks to all for your advice
Ralph

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David Taylor   Nov 28 2004, 7:33 am     show options
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:33:33 +1100
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Subject: OT: Rambling recollection of childhood bingo machines
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Completely OT but my earliest coin-op memory (I'm only 37) is of a fairly
seedy hamburger shop near where I lived that was full of bingo machines.
When I say "seedy", I mean that the awning out the front of the shop had
"Hot Dogs" painted on it, but they scraped out the "D" and replaced it with
a "W" so that it read "Hot Wogs".  Ahh the days of the swinging 70s.

All I remember of bingos is the incessant clacking noises they made, and
some guy placing a machine and pressing the buttons so that the winning
combos on the back glass slid around somehow.  I only remember this because
it was next to a GottleibVolley.  I could never figure out how to play the
damn things, so I just thought they were piles of rubbish (what do you
expect from a 6 year old).


Aeneas   Nov 28 2004, 8:21 am     show options
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>So This brings me to my questions,
>1) what are your thoughts on owning a bingo machine ?

Never played one, never had the patience to learn the rules.. so not
interested.
However I know some people who do play them often and there are some
collectors in belgium and holland.

>2) How hard are they to work on/ find parts for ?

Depends which type you're talking about..
They're almost all hard to work on.
Bally em's are hard but have generic parts.

Belgian electronic bingo machines (yes they're still made by different
factories) are even more difficult to work on. As they are gambling
machines, information is very hard to get (esp. if you're not an
operator) and they have some security checks to prevent tampering.
My site (http://www.flippers.be/) has some information about Wimi bingos from
the 80ies.
So if you buy an electronic (belgian) bingo machine, make sure it
works, because if it's 'in code' it may be impossible for you to start
it.

>3) am I just trying to relive a childhood dream and should I move on
>to someting bigger and better?

Aren't we all ? :-)

   Aeneas.


campga...@yahoo.com   Dec 8 2004, 1:41 pm     show options
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nomad   Dec 8 2004, 2:17 pm     show options
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I am certainly not an expert but here are some general thoughts from your
questions based on my limited experience:)

1. I want to own a bingo machine. They seem very interesting and are sorta
the "thinking man pinball machine." There is much more to them than just
shooting the balls and having it land in random holes. These games usually
go cheap too, maybe 200-300 bucks. Check out this NIB Bingo on ebay if you
want one that may not need any work!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6135740640&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

2. They are some of the most complex games ever built. Just working on
regular EMs is an adventure, I've not yet tried a bingo but if you search
IPDB you may find a picture that shows you what's behind the backglass and
you'll see what I mean. There is virtually nothing under the pf or in the
cabinet. Parts for any old machine may be tough to find but there are enough
resources (PBR, Mr Pinball, etc) to where you could get by.

3. Seems this hobby is all about reliving childhood dream no matter when you
grew up. I started with all 80s and early 90s games because thats what I
played as a kid. Since then I've added EMs and woodrails which I never even
saw when I was growing up. And I don't know what's considered bigger and
better? It's mainly about personal taste and the games YOU like, not what
RGP thinks although you will get great info and help here.

nomad

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SteveM   Dec 8 2004, 2:33 pm     show options
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This auction shows some the internals and it looks interesting to say
the least.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13725&item=6135687321&rd=1

SteveM

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nomad   Dec 8 2004, 2:40 pm     show options
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Amazing isn't it! Not for the beginner I would say!

nomad

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frenchy   Dec 8 2004, 3:22 pm     show options
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> So This brings me to my questions,
> 1) what are your thoughts on owning a bingo machine ?
> 2) How hard are they to work on/ find parts for ?
> 3) am I just trying to relive a childhood dream and should I move on
> to someting bigger and better?

> Thanks
> Ralph Gordon

I owned one and did not really get anything out of it, they are
basically big giant slot machines with a bit of skill thrown in and no
coin payout (most of them anyway).  But if you grew up with them, then
go for it, you will probably get enjoyment out of one as opposed to
someone who didn't like me.  Heck do you think I'd have a house full of
pinballs if I didnt' grow up with em?  : )  Just like the way I had a
slot machine for a long time and that was fun reliving past gambling
days in Vegas, but at least bingos have the skill element too.  You
WILL need two people to move the head as opposed to a pinball, weighs a
ton.  Not any harder to work on than an EM pinball, it's just more like
working on 3 of them  ; )
Frenchy

Chadsgames   Dec 8 2004, 3:32 pm     show options
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Bally Mystic Gate $275.00 not working.

nomad   Dec 8 2004, 3:37 pm     show options
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Where?

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