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Pin Hustlers?

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Phil   Oct 13 2004, 12:13 am     show options
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From: "Phil" <okora...@comNOcastSPAM.net> - Find messages by this author
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:13:01 -0600
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I got to thinking about this. I played flipper machines until I found bingos
at about 16 years old. The flippers never did much for me after that. The
bingos were much more interesting. I believe they require more talent on
both a cerebral and physical level to do well at than flipper machines. How
many of you flipper players would pay upwards of 5 bucks a game or more to
play - in the '60s or '70s?? Many bingo players did just that. Some lost
their shirts, and some made money. Some, believe it or not, made a living at
it.

Anyway, I always liked the money aspect and found the flipper machines
boring because there wasn't money to be made.  I know there are some
phenomenal flipper players on this newsgroup. How many of you hustled out a
living on the flippers? Anyone? How much did you play for? When I played
them, there didn't seem to be any gambling going on. If there had, I would
probably not have turned my back on them.

Phil


Vic Camp   Oct 13 2004, 11:21 am     show options
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Date: 13 Oct 2004 08:21:21 -0700
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Subject: Re: Pin Hustlers and bingo players?
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Phil,
I also stop playing flipper games at around 14 years old to play and
try to make money on the bingos daily. Knowing that store owners and
route people would give you cash on the spot for your replays on bingo
games made me not want to put another nickel in flipper games anymore.
I played the bingos every chance I got for over 30 years and became
very good at winning and could say I made a living on the bingos. I
have many story's how I was barred and told that I couldn't come back
and play for a while at many bingo locations in Newark, New Jersey
where I grew up playing bingo pinball machines because of winning so
many cash payouts. In Newark in the 1960's though they only had 6 card
games and most of them were Lite a Lines until of course the 1970's
when Bally made all those great 6 card games starting with Stock
Market thru Dixieland. Playing 6 card bingos instead of the other
games bally was manufacturing at the time like the one card games,
magic screen or turning corners etc would make you a better player
faster because the 6 card games started and end much quicker than the
other bingos because they were max coin limits games instead of the
multi coin other type bingo games. So playing more complete games much
quicker would give a player a chance to become a better player faster.

As for gambling on flipper games I only remember once in a while
playing for a few dollars for high score against another flipper game
player because he thought he was so great. There really never was much
action with gambling on flipper games  that I rememeber, if their were
I would have been happy to take a chance on betting someone I could
beat them at their best game. At a very young age before moving on to
the bingos I had a Gottlieb Sweet Hearts pinball in my basement for
years and around the corner from my house at my gramdmothers home was
a Gottlieb Show Boat and seemed like I played those pinballs a million
times each.

 The only real hustling I did for many years as a kid growing up was
with the game of pool or pocket billiards and made some great money
too, part of my pool money winnings went right into the bingos to see
if I could make more money. I forgot to mention that I had a pool
table along side each of the 2 pinballs Sweet Hearts and Show Boat at
both my house and my greandmothers house. My Grandmother house the
pool table was a brunswick 4x 9 foot, 3 piece slate profession model
made in 1897 and I had a 3 x 7 foot at my house. So many endless hours
spent on those great machines and pool tables growing up.

I have 19 Gottlieb wedgehead pinball machines in my collection in
factory new conditon that I play everyday and I keep a high score book
so that I can keep track of how I am how consitant I play. You would
be amazed at some of my high score point games and replays wins per
games. The high score book keeps me interested in playing all my
machines in my collection daily. I also have 5 bingos that I play
everyday and can still beat the piss out of them most of the time.

You never know, I stay active playing all my games so I can be ready
if a hustler comes knocking on my door wanting to gamble....
Vic

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George   Oct 14 2004, 3:48 pm     show options
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Date: 14 Oct 2004 12:48:08 -0700
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Subject: Re: Pin Hustlers and bingo players?
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Vic:

I love your stories. Did you play the Bingo's when you were in
Seaside? Am I thinking of the correct game or am I thinking of Skilo?
Is that the same game or am I thinking of another type of payout game?
Didn't they pay in cigarettes instead of cash? I never played the
Bingo's but it's probably because other than the Jersey shore I never
saw them anywhere else. Were these popular in other parts of the
country? Very curious. I need to take you up on your invitation and
stop by and play some of your machines. I'm sure between the machines
and stories I will be entertained for many hours.

George


Vic Camp   Oct 14 2004, 8:18 am     show options
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Date: 14 Oct 2004 05:18:16 -0700
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Vic Camp   Oct 16 2004, 10:02 am     show options
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Date: 16 Oct 2004 07:02:40 -0700
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George,
I remember clearly playing a 1953 Bally Dude Ranch in the Royal Arcade
which is still located on the boardwalk end closer to Seaside Park the
year was 1968. The Royal Arcade owner would pay out cigarettes instead
of cash money like back home in Newark when you would win replays.
There was a skillo close by the Royal Arcade, but skillo was a sit
down card game like bingo the game mostly older women play. You know
the game where they call out the numbers and you mark them on your
cards. I never played skillo but remember watching my friends mother
play as he and I would go in there when my friend needed more money
for his addiction of pinball machines etc when he was broke.

The game I did play alot other then bingo pinballs and flipper games
was called Fascination. Fascination game play is also like playing
bingo or a bingo pinball machine but was alot different in the way the
game looked and is played. Fascination is played on a beautiful wood
6ft long table top with 25 two inch holes in it and the back head has
two inch 25 light up colored lights. The game is played with a hard
high bounce rubber ball that is rolled gently across the 6 ft long
table top which drops into the 25 hole area. When the rubber ball
passes through one of the 25 holes it lights up on the backbox or head
and is returned back to the player to again roll the ball into the
table until 5 lights in a row is made. The great thing about this
fantastic game is you play against 40 to 50 others players that are
sitting at their own table rollling balls trying to light up 5 in a
line to win too. Games would end very quicly if the place was pacled
with people which was always the case.
If you win the payout is in tickets which can be turn in for gifts or
prizes which were displayed throughout the giant room. Fascination has
moved from Seaside Hts and in now located on the boardwalk in Wildwood
N.J. which I try to visit every year. The owner Randy is the same one
from Seaside and is a friend for years. My mother and all my aunts
were totally addicted to this game of Fascination and so was I. We
would all play there for hours and hours before even thinking of
getting off our seat because of all the other addicted players that
were lurking in the wings and hoping to get a turn at playing. Randy
put a Bally Key West bingo in his Fascination room all the way in the
back in around 1992 for people to play and would payout in fascination
tickets for your replays. I remember playing it there but because the
game was to hard for people to learn how to play Randy took it out and
put in some other coin op machine that easier for people to play and
understand.

These 2 bingo machines Dude Ranch and Key West are the only 2 bingo
pinball machine I had ever seen in Seaside Hts, New Jersey, but were
very popular else where around the country. Bally made it's last 1000
bingo pinball machine in 1980 called Continental which were the first
digital bingos ever produced, but were shipped to Belguim where they
continue to be very popular and are be manufactured yearly. I have a
excellent condition New Continental Golden 6 card electronic game that
is amazing in what it can do compared to the EM bingos made in the
past. Bally in 1979 produced it's last EM bingo called Dixieland which
is the KING of all 6 cards games ever made.

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someotherguy   Oct 16 2004, 1:30 pm     show options
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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:30:03 GMT
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On 16 Oct 2004 07:02:40 -0700, campga...@yahoo.com (Vic Camp) wrote:

>George,
>I remember clearly playing a 1953 Bally Dude Ranch in the Royal Arcade
>which is still located on the boardwalk end closer to Seaside Park the
>year was 1968. The Royal Arcade owner would pay out cigarettes instead
>of cash money like back home in Newark when you would win replays.

Holy crap; imagine the kind of legal hassle you could get into for doing that
these days.  Someone would snitch you out in a "New York Minute"  : )

Richard


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