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 Post subject: Law against bingo pinballs in Canada?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:26 pm 

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I've been wondering this for ages. Is there some sort of actively enforced law against the possession of a bingo or otherwise gambling-related pinball machine in Canada or are they just incredibly rare?




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 Post subject: Re: Law against bingo pinballs in Canada?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:38 pm 

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They (bingo machines of the Bally type) are not at all rare, in fact they made a shitload of them because they were so popular with gamblers, especially during the 1950's. I can only speak for the province of Quebec since I was working on the road servicing machines for operators who actually ran these as late as 1992-3 in some rare cases. They are gambling machines, no doubt about that, with the location owners paying off credits accumulated to regular and preferred patrons of the establishment where they were operated. Most operators gave up the bingo racket when the 8-line, Cherry Masters and poker type video machines came out. They made money faster, you could pay off the patrons in the same way and they were lighter when they had to be moved in haste. The Regie des Lotteries et des Courses du Quebec issued Category A vignettes/permits for bingos and poker machines until about 1991-2. Then they eliminated the category and started raiding establishments for these types of machines, especially for the video poker type machines. The hammer came down officially in Quebec in January of 1994, when these multiple coin, multiple credit type devices were ruled illegal to be operated by entrepreneurs and business owners. Then the government opened casinos and put video lottery terminals in bars themselves, the Government hates competition and knows what is best for the population.

You can own a bingo machine, or a slot machine for that matter in your home anywhere in Canada, no problem. You just can not provide change for anyone to play them. That is what I understand as the law for home ownership of these wonderful machines.

By the way, I have a Miss Universe for sale - 500 bones, works great, but it is a three ball 18 hole mo-fo, not that much fun compared to the five ball/25 hole type with a three extra ball purchase option where you can lose your shirt, but not in your home, you can just open the dresser drawer and get another one, or more nickels.

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 Post subject: Re: Law against bingo pinballs in Canada?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:37 am 

I could have my facts mixed up, but I think the federal laws restricting the ownership, sale or possession of any device built for the purpose of gambling (some have pointed out that dice and cards fall under that category) are still in effect in Canada even though they are rarely enforced. Oddly though, it's not illegal to import them into Canada. In the case of Slot Machines, it's particularly dicey as token machines are "tolerated" but if you happen to sell your machine to someone who then puts into use for illegal gambling, then the seller can also be charged. I don't think it's been tested whether selling and keeping antique or even modern slot machines for the purpose of entertainment only is "not" an offence.

In practice, however, it appears that the feds are only interested in cracking down on illegal gambling establishments as appear every once in a while within certain communities in particular.

That's why you never see ads for slot machines on Kijiji or eBay, they are trying to keep themselves clear of the Federal law in that regard.

Criminal Code of Canada: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts ... html#s-202. [You'll note that the language implies that it's the intended "use" of the device and not possession of the device itself that is the offence, however, the language is sufficiently ambiguous enough that it has caused some collectors concern and police generally advise that possession is not a good idea unless it's been "deactivated".]


  

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:54 am 

With regard to Bingos, since they don't spit out coins, I think you are pretty safe to own them.

Knowing that there are legitimate collectors out there, I believe the authorities have generally turned a blind eye to the possession and sale of machines that have been converted to token use, and no one could argue that a Bingo Machine is a gambling machine unless it spits out coins, it's how the operator uses the machine (like dice or cards) that dictates whether an offence has been committed or not.


  

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:18 pm 

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Thank you both for the great explanation! The reason I asked this was because I had never seen an ad on kijiji for a bingo pinball in the 3 years I've been in the hobby. But I guess they are in fact out there and I have to eat my words since a couple bingos just popped up amongst a crop of EM games recently. Hopefully I'll one day add a bingo to my collection. And thank you R.A.B. for your offer but if I was to buy a bingo I really would like to hold out for a five ball magic screen.




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