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Most complex game to shop?

Postby ALJO » Sun May 17, 2015 7:17 pm

I'm shopping a game at the moment and was thinking to myself, "this is the most complicated game I have ever shopped", even though I've shopped a TZ this way before I think this game is more of a challenge.
By "shop" I mean completely tear the playfield apart up to the last screw to clean everything, CC the PF, polish the ramps and every metal part, install new decals on the cabinet, sand blast the coin door and repaint it etc.
I'm not at my first pin doing all of this but I'm worried anyway that I'll forget where some parts go/connect, even though I took many pictures and use a styrofoam board to have a good idea.
What is the most complex game to shop according to you guys?

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby quarter grabber » Sun May 17, 2015 10:26 pm

I fully shopped a STTNG and that was a pain in the A$$. However I have been fully shopping a Stargate for months now and it is way more complicated to do then the STTNG was. Man Stargate is a PIA to shop, so many parts, so much going on in that game :x

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby Gis » Sun May 17, 2015 10:37 pm

A mechanical//rotating bingo machine..

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby 80s.fan » Mon May 18, 2015 4:13 pm

I have shopped a few dozen machines over the years and one of the more complex ones to take apart & clean was Demolition Man. The ramps are a killer to disassemble & reassemble. I don't even know how they made that machine; as the CAD software in the early 90's was primitive and so the designers must have gone crazy to get those plastic ramps jammed in there....

White Water is quite hard also, similar to Demolition Man, thanks to complex ramps, one has to take apart most of the upper playfield to get at the back side/lower level.

Great part of the hobby to develop patience - that is the only way to proceed.

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby Paul » Mon May 18, 2015 5:59 pm

which pin you doing Aljo ?

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby ALJO » Mon May 18, 2015 7:15 pm

DOH! White Water must be a pain also......
I'm shopping a Road Show.
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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby ALJO » Mon May 18, 2015 7:26 pm

By the way, what's so complex about bingo machines?

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby Bally Boy » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:48 am

80s.fan wrote:I have shopped a few dozen machines over the years and one of the more complex ones to take apart & clean was Demolition Man. The ramps are a killer to disassemble & reassemble. I don't even know how they made that machine; as the CAD software in the early 90's was primitive and so the designers must have gone crazy to get those plastic ramps jammed in there....

White Water is quite hard also, similar to Demolition Man, thanks to complex ramps, one has to take apart most of the upper playfield to get at the back side/lower level.

Great part of the hobby to develop patience - that is the only way to proceed.

Enjoy the hobby.


I totally agree here - Demolition Man. I saw Dennis Nordman at EXPO one week before I completely shopped this game, good thing, I would've said something to him for sure.... probably punched him in the balls...lol

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby Mrhide » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:11 pm

ALJO wrote:By the way, what's so complex about bingo machines?




piece of cake right?




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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby TwilightZone » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:13 pm

80s.fan wrote:I have shopped a few dozen machines over the years and one of the more complex ones to take apart & clean was Demolition Man. The ramps are a killer to disassemble & reassemble. I don't even know how they made that machine; as the CAD software in the early 90's was primitive and so the designers must have gone crazy to get those plastic ramps jammed in there....

White Water is quite hard also, similar to Demolition Man, thanks to complex ramps, one has to take apart most of the upper playfield to get at the back side/lower level.


Like Ballyboy, I agree 100%. Both are very challenging. Demoman is a real pain in the ass. Fortunately, there is a tear down procedure in the manual. You have to follow it exactly to get it back tonight.

Honourable mentions go to Road Show and STTNG. Ted is a bugger to take apart on RS. Not easy at all. The subway on STTNG is a pain in the a$$. As well, after you have it all together, I found I had to do a fair bit of tweaking to get it playing right. Involved loosening screws and making minor adjustments. That after spending hours getting it all back to gether.
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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby steamfitter » Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:41 am

Wow , just bought a Mario Andretti that needs a good cleaning . I guess I'm up for a good challenge . Any advice ?
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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby tartagliag » Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:22 am

Orbitor 1?? ahahah!

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby Azatotht » Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:35 am

I completely hate shopping a pin, no matter which..

But of all those i did, i liked BSD and IJ the least...

And shopping doesn't mean clearing the pf and changing cabinet decals to me.. just saying.

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby Atomicboy » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:48 am

I didn't find DM too bad. RS and STTNG were not fun, TZ is a pain, especially cleaning and changing lights on the mini and dealing with the gumball machine, NF's large ramp was no easy task either.

I'd say personally between RS and STTNG.
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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby TwilightZone » Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:15 am

Interesting that we have different experiences with games. I didn't find BSD a challenge. TZ wasn't bad. The mini playfield comes off pretty easily. The gumball is a pain in the butt, though. NF went so smooth, I don't even recall any challenges.

Speaking of long ramps. The one on WCS is a pain. I was really nervous about breaking it. Removing it is a pain and then it is too big to go in the dish washer. Cleaning it by hand is tricky as it isn't flat at all. I used towels to try and support it. so I didn't put too much stress on one point when cleaning it. Was still concerned about breaking it.

I agree RS and STTNG are probably in the lead ;-) Still found DM to be a pain. So much that I don't want to buy another that isn't shopped. Hated shopping that game.
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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby Azatotht » Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:20 am

Are you guys taking playfields out on a rotisserie in order to shop them ?

Might explain the different point of views.. i dont have a rotisserie and always shop the games from inside the cab..

What i hate the most are parts that are screwed from under the pf with nuts...

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby cdnpinballer » Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:25 am

What I really hate is trying to service something that is buried in so bad that you have to take half the lower playfield off! :evil:

Forget about trying to access any kind of subway passage with ease. :FP:

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Postby TwilightZone » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:30 am

Azatotht wrote:Are you guys taking playfields out on a rotisserie in order to shop them ?

Might explain the different point of views.. i dont have a rotisserie and always shop the games from inside the cab..

What i hate the most are parts that are screwed from under the pf with nuts...


I don't have a rotisserie. I'm still struggling to understand the benefit. Just taking the playfield out with all the goods still attached is a huge challenge. I'll be doing a playfield swap this fall. I plan on taking everything off the top, then place one playfield beside the other (face down on towels) and swap over the under playfield items. Put the new playfield back in the game and install the top. I don't think a rotisserie is going to make that much of a difference. I might have a different opinion after doing the swap LOL!

What I hate...when a screw is blocked and you have to use a flex shaft to get the screw off. Those can be a pain. I also hate when a certain order has to be followed with precision or you are screwed. RS, STTNG, and DM all require real attention to detail.
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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby Atomicboy » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:36 am

I don't pull PF's to shop either. I could see the benefit with a limited few, and have a rot, but still, most of it is a matter of up and down with the PF, everything within full view though.

cdnpinballer wrote:What I really hate is trying to service something that is buried in so bad that you have to take half the lower playfield off! :evil:

Forget about trying to access any kind of subway passage with ease. :FP:


Try dealing with WPT if something goes wrong and any one of the number of mechs on the backboard - there is no good angle to deal with that.
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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby ALJO » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:42 am

TwilightZone wrote:
Azatotht wrote:Are you guys taking playfields out on a rotisserie in order to shop them ?

Might explain the different point of views.. i dont have a rotisserie and always shop the games from inside the cab..

What i hate the most are parts that are screwed from under the pf with nuts...


I don't have a rotisserie. I'm still struggling to understand the benefit. Just taking the playfield out with all the goods still attached is a huge challenge. I'll be doing a playfield swap this fall. I plan on taking everything off the top, then place one playfield beside the other (face down on towels) and swap over the under playfield items. Put the new playfield back in the game and install the top. I don't think a rotisserie is going to make that much of a difference. I might have a different opinion after doing the swap LOL!

What I hate...when a screw is blocked and you have to use a flex shaft to get the screw off. Those can be a pain. I also hate when a certain order has to be followed with precision or you are screwed. RS, STTNG, and DM all require real attention to detail.



I shop my games on rotiserie but I use to do them your way, I really appreciate my rotisserie since you can do the job standing and you can unscew from under the playfield the nuts more easilly with a rotisserie.

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby cdnpinballer » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:00 pm

I've only used a rotisserie for a playfield swap and it was super convenient for the job.

I would never pull a playfield for a full shop job unless it was a game with a lot of mechs at the far back end. A game like Medusa comes to mind.

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby ALJO » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:53 pm

tartagliag wrote:Orbitor 1?? ahahah!

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No, I shopped an Orbitor 1 a few years ago, not so bad at all.

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Re: Most complex game to shop?

Postby Pindude152 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:21 pm

ALJO wrote:By the way, what's so complex about bingo machines?



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